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Title: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on January 30, 2007, 06:05:14 pm
Anyone know how good these clones are cos theres loads of em out there and peeps are saying theyr rivaling tm even though i think tm aint doin anything new.anyone got one and would they be reliable for skirmishing if i was thinking of upping my armoury?  :wink:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on January 30, 2007, 06:50:39 pm
Aww not again!

"Reliable" is exactly what they aren't!  Okay, you might buy one that lasts for ages and is as good as a TM, although you're much more likely to get one that is a bag of bollocks and will be absolutely useless. 

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on January 30, 2007, 09:55:38 pm
Don't listen to him. Do your homework, find out what clones are good performers out of the box first. Then find out whether they are of a good quality material. Then choose which one looks the best. Then fork out a load for internal upgrades and you'll be sorted.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on January 30, 2007, 10:04:31 pm
...by which time you may as well have bought a second hand TM...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Lord Krell on January 30, 2007, 10:15:15 pm
I call em C4 for a reason
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on January 30, 2007, 10:30:35 pm
Chinese clones still aint matching TM. May do in the future but not yet.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on January 30, 2007, 10:53:48 pm
It's all well and good going on about "good performers out of the box", but what you don't realise is that the quality control and consistency on these Chinese knockoffs is virtually non existant.  You may be lucky and get one that works nicely and lasts ages, but seriously - don't count on it.  Also, you shouldn't have to whack a load of internal upgrades into a gun just to get it up to skirmishable standard.   The whole idea of "out of the box" is exactly what it says on the tin, not "out of the box and into the workshop".

Firkit is right, you can get a used but well looked after TM gun in this country for very little.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on January 31, 2007, 10:40:54 am
I probably worded that wrong didn't I. By internal stuff I meant bushings shims and maybe a hop rubber.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on January 31, 2007, 09:13:49 pm
well i did some research into chinese clones and found a very good thread on a forum

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=10854.0

this has a list of a lot of chinese knock off kit and they tell u the minimum u need to do to make it run as well as the high quality guns like TM

oo and i bought the AIM m4 all that needed was a decent hop unit thats also reviewed on the site and they say its a very good cheap gun and after almost a year of using it its still alive
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: evilmike on February 06, 2007, 10:51:00 pm
i have the agm MP40 on the way, wanted this for ages but didnt want to pay TOP prices ho ho ho :P

hopefully will arrive by sat, unless my terrible customs luck continues booooo
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 08, 2007, 01:42:54 am
C-X, the cyma AK74 i rate higher than the CA version i had..... unreliable? not on your nelly!! These are better than TM. Can't wait to get some more :D

the one's that really shine are CYMA, JING GONG and DBOYS. The Dboys M4S-System 7mm gearbox with 330 out of th box and can run a 12v battery! Try doing that on the TM version.......

I've used every brand there is, and i put those 3 up there with TM, ask Dude about his M16, 330 out the box with a 6.03mm barrel fitted as standard. Now there is someone who is a stickler for quality and the JG M16 blew him away.

I'll do a full on review of the CYMA later in the week.


oh and by the way I'M BACK AT DV ON THE 25TH!!!!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on February 08, 2007, 12:04:22 pm
Funnily enough I saw one of those MP40's last week and was quite impressed.  Also, there's an XM8 (made by SRC) on one of the HK websites that I'm tempted by.  I may be forced to eat my words..
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 08, 2007, 01:03:03 pm
Z1 have the SRC XM8 in, so it's bound to be alright.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on February 08, 2007, 01:59:02 pm
Was that a whiff of sarcasm I detected there? ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on February 08, 2007, 02:20:35 pm
Well I have an AGM m14 to try out this weekend same brand as that mp40 so lets see how long it lasts, but since I own the thing it's gonna go tits up anyway as things have a habbit of breaking around me lol.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 08, 2007, 02:38:14 pm
i av also now ordered the double eagle M14 which is ment to be a good cheapo same metal bits as the TM version ment to be doin 320 outa the box and running decent gears to :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on February 08, 2007, 03:39:46 pm
aye AGM == Double Eagle hehe

The clones have now landed ...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Titan on February 08, 2007, 06:09:58 pm
aye AGM == Double Eagle hehe

The clones have now landed ...

I'll bring a box of tissues to wipe away your tears when ur gun falls to bits on sunday Cy.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 08, 2007, 09:44:04 pm
Its just a shame I have to work this sunday otherwise we could compare it to my stock tm m14  :D

Owell there is always the 25th  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on February 09, 2007, 02:52:10 am
Well of course it's gonna fall to bits I own it so I dont need any tissues Dave I'll just need tissues to wipe away the teas of joy it lasted for a day IF it lasts that long lol but keeping that in mind the only perfect gun I have it my Tokyo Marui G36 :) nothing can ever replace that in terms of reliability and power  :D

If my M14 makes it to the 25th then we'll do a comparison in terms of performance then Metal but till them it's gotta survive the 11th :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 09, 2007, 07:07:35 pm
looks like its managed to get through the 11th ok m8
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 09, 2007, 07:25:20 pm
Looks like we shall be doing that now  :D just booked me and my bro in for the 25th  :tu:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on February 09, 2007, 07:28:10 pm
Huzza!!  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 09, 2007, 09:03:51 pm
CYMA CM-031 (AK74) review:

 
P&P
---
 The rifle arrived 7days after ordering which was on the Friday night so it was pretty quick
to get here from HK. The box was very well wrapped and took me a good 5 mins to remove all the
packaging. Postage cost me ?35 so worked out at approx ?80 for the rifle which is very good, and
for that price you'd probably expect something dodgy.

First Impressions:
------------------
 First thing i did notice was the box was quite heavy which suprised me with the rifle being plastic.
After getting the packaging off i opened the box up to see what kit came with the rifle. In the box
i had the hi cap mag, battery, charger, inctruction booklet, sling and a small bag of bb's.
 The rifle it's self was superb, very well finished and looks great. In comparision on visuals alone
you could not tell it apart from the CA SLR 104. The rifle also felt quite heafty and the foregrip area
seems weighted which gives it a very nice sturdy feel to it. The stock feels good and has a better way
of getting to the battery compartment than on the CA. The CA you had to unscrew the butt plate to get
the compartment open, but on the CYMA it has a slide cover very much like the TM MP5A4/SD5. It is a
good idea but does feel a tiny bit loose and if your running around alot in woodland i'd suggest adding
a bit of tape across the bottom just to make sure you don't loose it.
 The rifle detail is great, thje forgrip is identical to the CA and although the body is plastic it
does feel very strong.
  The battery compartment can just squeeze in a fat 8.4 3700mah battery. Downside the rifle connectors
are the same as the mini battery rifles so you will need a small female to large male connector lead
which can be picked up from most airsoft dealers.
 The magazine is fantastic, next to the CA there is no difference at all, ver well made and has a strong
wheel and winds very nicely indeed.
 Also found that the top part of the rifle is infact metal and not palstic as i first thought, with the
full metal iron sights it adds a bit more weight to the overall package. The sling is a simple 2 point
sling which does the job and save's having to go out and buy one. The charger is the 2 pronged HK one so
not much use for me.
 
Firing and feeding:
-------------------
 Filled the mag aobut half way and wound it up till i got a click nice smooth fill not noisy clunk and
it felt nice and solid when winding. The magwell is nice and tight and the mag fits in very well with
no wobble at all. As with the CA i had i hav exactly the same small fault with the mag release switch,
the pin that goes through is loose and could use a bit of supergluse to keep it in place and not loose
it. The hop up is nice and easy to get too, the cocking handle feels nice and smooth and doesn't feel
flimsy. The grip is stong and feels well made the whole thing does have a really nice feel to it without
any creaks.
  Using the battery supplied as the 8.4 3700mah i got will not fit the rifles connectors, i have ordered
the right one so shouldn't be too long. First burst was very impressive, the grouping was tight at 10m
and the cut right through the cardboard. The trigger is made from metal and does feel nice and strong.
 the ROF fire on the 1200mah was still quite impressive, i can say on the 3700 it will be very close to
the CA's ROF.
 Fired off around 200 shots and had no miss-fires, the gearbox sounds very nice and got no wayward shots
or stuck bb's. The motor sounds good, and doesn't knock in the grip like other rifles. Single shot was
impressive too a full piston cycle and perfect shot on the car in the same spot after each shot.

Overall Impression:
-------------------
 This is a cracking rifle, quality is up there with TM and CA and overall build is very impressive indeed.
The hop is good but possibly could be better with a metal hop, and if you do that you'll need a new
barrel too as the one that is with the CYMA only will fit with the CYMA hop unit. Feel and weight very
good and i'm glad i got this rifle now. There are only a couple of tiny niggles which are:
1: Small battery connectors in the stock
2: Mag release pin loose (same fault i had with the CA SLR 104)
3 Butt peice little bit loose

Other than that i rate it: 9/10

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2517/top1ao9.jpg)

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1535/side1ia8.jpg)

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/820/foregrip1nz9.jpg)

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3134/side2xf6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 09, 2007, 10:24:59 pm
Very nice review mate  :D

Cant wait for the 25th to see this in action  :tu:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 09, 2007, 10:30:56 pm
I should have my new SCAR in a week, so expect a review for that.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 10, 2007, 12:23:15 am
i should av ad mine by now as i ordered it middle of january and gunner is so slow never buy off him again i might just pay that little more for the stuff of RSOV bit more but got shipped within 12 hours of paying for it
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 10, 2007, 10:59:29 am
I've had really fast responses from gunner so far. I think it's because of this sudden boom in cheapsofting that he's swamped with orders. He's probably making more off the chinese clones than off the regular guns.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 10, 2007, 12:04:36 pm
it took him 4 days to confirm my order another 6 days t confirm payment then 6 days to ship and following 2 days to tell me my trackin number which was a copy and paste of sumone else with no tracking number been like 6 days and 4 emails for me to get a responce on my trackin number which was tell me ur details and i will c and now nothing

RSOV sent an enquirey about sum guns weather they b TM compatable and within 20mins had reply and same day order and shipped with trackin number in a few hours just took for ever for the parcel to arive in uk and now in transit BLODY SNOW :( me wanty guns
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 10, 2007, 06:03:41 pm
My order was confirmed within the hour. I haven't had payment confirmation yet, but it'll still be night over in HK.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 13, 2007, 06:58:39 pm
yay my m14 has arived



mmmmmm nice

and wow its got sum power
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on February 13, 2007, 07:10:09 pm
i wanted to get the agm m14 but i heard problems about the shimming spring guide and the hop up moves every 5 mins so i decided not to tho let me know how it goes n i might have to purchase myself one
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on February 13, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
will you be using it on the 25th?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 13, 2007, 09:25:30 pm
well yes there is a problem with the hop unit in that the hop adjusment screw is to shrt for what it needs to be a small peice of plasic sorts this

i aint stripped the gear box yet i am gonna wait to see it it dies a spectacular death but from testing the smiming as i have been told by many ppl who work on gearboxes mine seems to be shimed corectly but its a chines clone after all and quality control is a monkey in a white coat.

mine wasnt built properly as the top receiver hadnt been placed into the frame properly but that was easily sorted and the pin that holds the outer barrel inplace to the hop unit/ inner barrel had snapped but thats easily sorted with supa glue or arildite

its got a nice punch easily peircing a can and causing a nice hole the other side just need to find somewhere to test the range

down fall is that the barrel and hop might not be TM compatable as the locating lugs for the hop locking tab are not as deep on the barrel as they are on TM stadard barrels (but i dont know if this is the same on the TM gun)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 13, 2007, 09:25:59 pm
i should be at the game on the 25th aslong as i can get transport
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on February 13, 2007, 09:39:43 pm
kewl cya there
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 13, 2007, 11:22:56 pm
update also gotta change the poles around on the connector if u are lazy like me and cant be arsed lookin for an adaptor for the charger or even want to use ur original batteries
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: evilmike on February 14, 2007, 10:35:55 am
mp40 is here dam gd looking beast, just aslong as it works ok now :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 14, 2007, 06:29:24 pm
yay my scar is due the 15th
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on February 14, 2007, 07:06:52 pm
can't wait to see these clones performing :) roll on 25th :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 14, 2007, 09:17:02 pm
About bloody time to i say coug  :tu:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 17, 2007, 10:05:56 am
yay a scar l cheapsoft lol

nice  and its shimmed properly cant say much for the gear grease used apart from where is it lol also sorta has metal bushing in mine but only on the sector gear and the first gear which is weird, hop unit is a bit sensative it goes from only about 20foot range to around 80-100foot with the smallest of touches unlike ll other hops i ever seen

would all u gotta do is slap a standard TM barrel in it and a new hop buckin to start with . oh and actualy unscreww all the screws take the body completly apart re-route all the wiring and stick it back to gether as the chnes seem to slap it together (must be on comission for produing lods) as all the screws were loose on mine along with a few alignment problems.

Its punching into a poor mans chrono nicely with a nice sized crack on the other side too  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Titan on February 17, 2007, 05:47:59 pm
Man am glad i paid a bit extra for a gun that actually works when you take it out of the box.

Imagine buying a car where the wheels are nackered.. theres no oil in enginer, the axle needs changing oh and the welds are like paper stuck together with toffee.. You'd laugh the salesman in the face. Yet people are happy to buy these bags of crap.

if you have to do work on ANYTHING you buy to make it function as it is sold. (IE the sales of goods act) its not doing what its supposed to and hence you are buying substandard goods.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 17, 2007, 06:01:31 pm
scar runs lovely i stuck a longer barrel in it as its a short barrel thats all

and the m14 i put a decent hop rubber in thats all

both have metal bushing both gear boxes are running nice and oth are up in the 300fps range

when it comes to cheap clones u gotta do a little work on them to get it to run as well as TM or CA and in the long run u do get as good a gun for a hell of a lot less

look at the scar its cost me ?95 plus a hop rubber from a tokyo gun that i had to replace the hop unit in so the scar has cost me ?95 how much is the CA version ?329 hmmmmm i can break a few gears b4 i have spent as much on that as i would just getting the CA scar and having to tinker with it as CA tend to break

my M14 cost ?106 with postage and 2 spare mags i put a new hop buckin in that as it was too soft and wasnt adjusting propery again i can break a few bits b4 i have spent as much as it would have cost me for a TM version

so i dont mind if it breaks as it willl have better parts put in when it does meaning it will last just as long as a tm in the end and for 2/3rds the cost
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on February 17, 2007, 06:36:16 pm
you'll end up building a TM gun piece by piece, trust me.

cheap knock offs really are shoddy, i've now to date seen 3 knock offs ( a cyma, both elephant and an academy ) fail on thier first morning... MORNING they didnt even make it through the 3-4 morning games before the campaign starts, and if you dont have a backup aeg, or money to rent from DV if theres one free... you're screwed. I did the repair on the Academy one switching in parts to replace the broken bits and i was apalled by the build quality. Roughly cast alluminium parts, unfinished plastic, bad moulding etc.

you really are better off buying TM or ICS ( pref TM ) brand new for peace of mind and quality.  You canm guarantee then that under normal skirmish use, unless you dive onto the gun or drop it repeatedly, thier bomb proof by comparison.

Dont buy crap, spend money fitting the same parts the quality ones have as standard, and then have to replace pieces all the time as they fail, eventually building the same as the quality gun from scratch.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 17, 2007, 07:07:41 pm
like i keep saying i aint had a problem with a cheap knock off yet my aim m4 is running like a treat so far and the scar actualy has metal bushing fitted
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 17, 2007, 07:10:10 pm
My SCAR should be here sometime this week. In black, too! I'll probably be along on the 25th if it comes before then, so I can compare it to yours (buying a new hop unit and installing an MBA shark).
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 17, 2007, 07:29:33 pm
My both elephant xm8 managed to last the day on its first outting  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on February 17, 2007, 07:46:30 pm
As I see it these cheap clones are no good as a player's first AEG, but if someone like Cougar who is happy with the quality, knows what to expect and can do the work to get it running okay wants to buy them then I can't see why anyone else would have a problem with it.

I would argue with these being recommended to an inexperienced player as a first AEG, but to add to a collection - no problem.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 17, 2007, 07:49:22 pm
now thats what i should have said oli lol

true if u know what to do if u need to work on um then they are great and cheap and awsome
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 17, 2007, 09:11:58 pm
I didn't know what I was doing when I bought my first gun and when that broke I just undid all the screws I could find and pulled it apart. That's how I found out how babies were made how gearboxes work.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 17, 2007, 09:53:58 pm
you'll end up building a TM gun piece by piece, trust me.


no, you won't

Quote
cheap knock offs really are shoddy,


My CYMA AK74 is better built than my old TM, and it's hammered out a couple of mags already. I'm impressed with the quality.

Academy are crap, always have been. But the new breed of CYMA, A&K, ARMY, DBOYS and JG are superb. The DBOYS M4S Is a stunning performer, 7mm gearbox, can run on a 12v and has 330 straight out the box... and for a 3rd of the price of the TM...

Quote
you really are better off buying TM or ICS ( pref TM ) brand new for peace of mind and quality.  You canm guarantee then that under normal skirmish use, unless you dive onto the gun or drop it repeatedly, thier bomb proof by comparison.

Dont buy crap, spend money fitting the same parts the quality ones have as standard, and then have to replace pieces all the time as they fail, eventually building the same as the quality gun from scratch.


Your not. I'd put money on those who slate the ACM rifles not ever actually owning one. Me, personally, now i've bought one and tried it, tested it and gave it a good look at, would take an A.C.M over a TM/ICS/CA/G&G/G&P anyday..... wouldn't even swap it.


The amount of rifles i've had go well into the 30's, and i prefer this to any i've had. My CYMA AK74 i prefer to the CA version i had the last time i was at DV.

The CYMA i have to say is built just as good as a TM. I remember CA version 1 rifles, and paying ?200+ for them and them not lasting a day, as did my G&G GR16R4, lasted an hour due to the tappet breaking. All guns can break and will if abused.

 Some have seen how good Dude's L96 was, they can hold their own against the Gucci brands. The ACM are an ideal way to get 'Softing if you on a tight budget, and also if you want to make project guns without worrying about the costs if it goes tits up.  I'll still get some High End rifles but for just blasting about at skirms the ACM is a way i can do it without worrying about the cost of the rifle if it breaks. Plus i got a 6k payout coming and 2k is going on rifles :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW5HFngzxJE
Not bad eh.....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 22, 2007, 01:06:47 am
Here is a little vid for you guys:

I uploaded this to my you tube for easier viewing:
DBOYS M4S System running a 10.8v..... nice ROF don't you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPUFUFSVLE
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on February 22, 2007, 03:03:04 pm
I would hate to be on the reciving end of that  :x
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on February 22, 2007, 09:36:55 pm
me 2, shredded gears dont half hurt when they fly out :)

*joke!*
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 23, 2007, 12:46:01 am
funny.... i opened up my CYMA and found G&P gears......
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on February 23, 2007, 07:47:27 am
it was a joke!

but seriously, did it really have that quality internals?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 23, 2007, 10:22:57 am
yup.... nearly shat myself when i saw them... their were the same one's i put in my old M4S a while ago..


result!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on February 23, 2007, 06:12:59 pm
Hmm, must be a VERY new CYMA cm031 then to be using G&P gears.  Most of the reviews I've read show CA marked gears.

Can see this in this review here:
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=25293.0 (http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=25293.0)

:)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 24, 2007, 04:41:09 pm
seen reviews, so opened it up to check the grease levels. could do with a bit more grease but other than that it is a very well do gearbox.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on February 24, 2007, 06:34:15 pm
My sodding SCAR hasn't arrived yet. I might have to miss tomorrows game.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on February 24, 2007, 06:38:17 pm
You got no other guns? Does that mean that the other two on your booking won't be there either?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on February 26, 2007, 03:17:45 pm
th A.C.M's all stood up to the test and performed well.... Especially at the giggle bush (ask nightwish)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on February 26, 2007, 06:09:05 pm
yup my scar did well was clockin around 320fps mark but it chewed throught the std battery that came with it

the m14 awsome one the hop was bedded in

and both lived all day
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on March 03, 2007, 08:04:38 pm
I've got my SCAR now. The battery that comes with it is pure crap, but luckily I ordered a couple of intellects just in case.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on March 03, 2007, 09:47:43 pm
i have to say the wood finish on the plastic wood of the M14 was astounding. Its on a par with tm's AK47 and Thompson faux wood.

the wood effect on the tm m14 is apalling imo compared to what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on March 03, 2007, 10:28:16 pm
Yeah, hence why I went for the OD version ;)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on March 04, 2007, 07:56:11 am
th A.C.M's all stood up to the test and performed well.... Especially at the giggle bush (ask nightwish)

missed that post :) funny as hell that was, shrek and dude under the big tree down the road to the tank, facing the ramp. One shot one kill, the guy calls the hit and somebody else takes his position.... repeat :)

im not kidding, about 6-7 people died in the same way before anybody realised 'oh yeah they can see us there'. After about the 3rd kill, each call of 'HIT' was accompanied by whoopinglaughter and giggling from the bushes!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 05, 2007, 12:57:05 pm
yeah it was funny as hell.... great way to start the day.



on another note: I've just ordered my 3rd A.C.M, a DE M50A Sniper rifle, an APS Clone withthe same internals as the TM VSR. Looking forward to it arriving, and should get my CYMA AK47 Tactical through this week too..
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on March 05, 2007, 05:42:28 pm
Im still waiting to get enough cash to buy a scar  :cry:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 10, 2007, 01:11:47 pm
now got the CYMA AK74, CYMA AK47 Tactical, the DE M50A arrives next week and ordering the DBOYS M4 CASV today .... addiction to ACM... lol
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on March 10, 2007, 04:36:13 pm
the tactical ak the one with tan grips right? thas a nice piece of kit  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 11, 2007, 12:41:20 pm
now its OD, the tan looked a bit pants...

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7923/dsc00010iv0.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 11, 2007, 02:46:39 pm
just ordered an L96 clone after the game shooting people in the ass with it and watching them look round to see who it was
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 11, 2007, 04:22:40 pm
he CYMA AK47 Tactical video i've just uploaded to my youtube...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vgA_nKVxU
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on March 11, 2007, 09:07:03 pm
looks sweet kinda wish i bought a clone now oh well :oops:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 12, 2007, 07:06:14 pm
my M50A arrived today...... already Kryloned. :D

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4551/dsc00029zf6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 12, 2007, 07:07:57 pm
nice job!

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 13, 2007, 10:45:30 pm
damn tried 7 sites and all out of stock on OD Krylon....... gutted!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on March 14, 2007, 03:25:59 pm
http://www.airsoftscotland.com/acatalog/Krylon_Mil-paint_Aerosols.html

they got olive dunno if you were looking for the fusion one tho sorry if that dun help
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on March 14, 2007, 06:23:20 pm
thats an unusual paint job but looks nicely done, and would be VERY effective in the DV ferns, and around the giggle bush area especially so
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on March 14, 2007, 06:23:50 pm
airsoft scotland are out of the krylon too :(
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on March 14, 2007, 07:16:15 pm
Airsoft Warehouse have just got some in I think. I'm sure they said that to me when I was in there earlier.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 16, 2007, 09:24:30 pm
juno AS was the first one i tried....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 19, 2007, 08:49:20 pm
my L96 arived today. customs hastle free.

all hail Keith!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 22, 2007, 01:27:20 am
NEW TOY!!!

DBOYS M4 CASV

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/849/dsc00049mz6.th.jpg) (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00049mz6.jpg)


Fitted with 4x ACOG scope, TROY Ind suppressor & VLTOR Stock (not in pic)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on March 22, 2007, 07:27:56 am
lose the box, and you have yourself a killer!

( not a fan of anpeq boxes, think they make any gun look damned awful )
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 22, 2007, 08:59:46 pm
indeed.  shrek, does the casv front end hinge down with enough room for a nunchuck battery inside?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dude on March 23, 2007, 02:52:58 am
nope its not a Ssystem front, plain n goodness laden casv in metal,,
and you will struggle to get a V or other fancy bat into the S system anyways,,
peq boxes kinda win hands down esp when they can hold 10.8v 3300 bats,,,,can we say "rof"
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on March 23, 2007, 07:30:28 am
agreed, but they just aint pretty :D might as well strap a shoebox to the side :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on March 23, 2007, 08:01:09 am
At least it has some element of realism though, unlike the alternative which is a battery bag.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 23, 2007, 10:21:25 pm
i'm tempted by one, and fit the folding stock.

i suppose i could find cells to fit
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on March 23, 2007, 10:58:55 pm
The CASV came with: Hi cap, 3pt sling, Vert grip, PEQ box, Battery and charger for ?49.99. The bought the 4x ACOG ?44.99, TROY Ind Supressor for ?19.99 and the VLTOR Stock ?24.99 all from RSOV.COM
(http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2420/dsc00050mg7.jpg)

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on March 23, 2007, 11:37:11 pm
Keith must really love you shrek  :D

That CASV looks really nice  :D

Roll on payday I say  :P
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on March 24, 2007, 08:43:45 am
dude even on pay day u wont b able to buy anything off rsov as u still need to fix the car srterio  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Solo on March 24, 2007, 10:02:50 am
dude even on pay day u wont b able to buy anything off rsov as u still need to fix the car srterio  :D

It's all about priorities..... Stereo vs. Airsoft.....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on March 24, 2007, 03:26:03 pm
yeah shooty shooty or music

well i would say i got an mp3 player i can listen to, who cares if everyone else in the car cant listen to music i want another new gun
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 24, 2007, 08:39:57 pm
very tempted...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on March 24, 2007, 11:42:20 pm
just browsing on arnies found an interesting read of some new clones a thompson clone a kind of ca25 looking clone and best of all a 249!!!!! :P

http://blog.myspace.com/mike_west_007 :
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on March 25, 2007, 12:35:42 am
oh great now every man and his dog will have one  :(
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on March 25, 2007, 12:57:34 am
we said that with the star one.

prevented due to it being, well a star.

the wieght will put folks of, even stamped steel gives some wieght and if they clone the PGC V2 m249 box as CA did thats a big block of casting
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on April 19, 2007, 09:06:26 am
Been thinking about getting a cheapsoft rifle for a bit now but you know. The doubt is still there in my mind. I'll be getting some money in a couple of weeks for my birthday. I'm not sure whether to sell my FAMAS and get a second hand TM off ASCUK or something. There are some lovely ones on there at the moment.

Or, I'm tempted to go the cheapsoft route.
I understand JG are one of the best manufacturers on par or sometimes above TM.
It's just if I got hit for customs charges then a cheapsoft would cost me about the same as a second hand TM off the forums.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on April 19, 2007, 09:49:25 am

It's just if I got hit for customs charges then a cheapsoft would cost me about the same as a second hand TM off the forums.

Not in my experience it wouldn't- you would be paying no more than 15 quid or so in customs charges IF you got caught (that makes it sound as i you are doing something dodgy, maybe caught is the wrong word, but you know what I mean). It should still be well under a ton, all in, even with postage and customs charge, which arent guaranteed.

Personally I have become tempted with these clones- I'm considering a AK, and buying a full metal body  and wood kit for it, am I right in saying the CYMA is the AK of choice?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 19, 2007, 11:49:06 am
If you at DV this Sunday come have a nose at my 4 ACM rifles, i'll be under the stairs, got the 2 AK's the CASV and the M50 sniper
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on April 19, 2007, 03:24:57 pm
Shame i aint comin would have liked to see em especially the casv looks sweet
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on April 19, 2007, 03:37:52 pm
the thompson tempts.  just like the MP40's.

just for an SOE loadout
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on April 19, 2007, 05:14:23 pm
If you at DV this Sunday come have a nose at my 4 ACM rifles, i'll be under the stairs, got the 2 AK's the CASV and the M50 sniper

Yeah I would like a look at the AKs if possible. Couple of my team mates have the CASVs which i am looking forward to seeing.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on April 22, 2007, 07:13:46 pm
After seeing some of these in person and in action. I think I'm won over!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 22, 2007, 07:16:34 pm
CYMA impressed me once again, the TAC was a cracking rifle to use. But my gun of the day for me was the CASV it just looked, felt, and ran awesome!

might get another one :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on April 22, 2007, 07:22:10 pm
I have to say the M50 looked impressive kryloned and ghillied up.
I've always wanted a spring sniper rifle. Might be on the books later on.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 22, 2007, 07:31:01 pm
for ?25 you can't go wrong.....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Moonshadow on April 22, 2007, 07:46:18 pm
Linky plz Shrek dude!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on April 22, 2007, 08:02:02 pm
www.rsov.com

Then search for M50
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: stewpidbear on April 22, 2007, 08:15:35 pm
SHREKKIE you know when you've been Kryloned!!!! :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 22, 2007, 08:44:04 pm
oh indeedy! but it bloody worked....

(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2743/dsc00150fx1.jpg)


Moonshadow:
M50
http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=90&products_id=365&osCsid=52be3d14f4314a36b65b55db9d260dd2
M50 Mags ?6.99 for 2
http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=90&products_id=383&osCsid=52be3d14f4314a36b65b55db9d260dd2
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on April 23, 2007, 09:07:58 pm
Shrekkie!! you know the gun costs 25 n about 32 shipping so thats 57 did u get any customs charges on top of tha just wondering cos like theres a alot of guns out there that would be cheaper importing em but theres mixed reviews bought getting caught in customs?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on April 23, 2007, 09:53:26 pm
VAT and import on that would not be much anyway. About 21%, so another tenner on a ?50 item.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 23, 2007, 10:18:43 pm
if you ask keith nicely he'd do a discount i got mine for ?45 no stoppages at customs...


all 4 of mine went straight thru customs...

might sell the M50 as i now want anothe CASV/armalite...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on April 23, 2007, 10:24:14 pm
that casv was smart dude..

i dunno if i should get one of those or an m14 clone..

m14 is more tempting, as id like to get a metal bodied armalite from this country i thinks ..
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on April 23, 2007, 10:27:25 pm
M14 got a wiring problem but there is a fix thread on the ACM section on ASC...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on April 23, 2007, 10:28:40 pm
thats no problem.. 

its just the deciding which to buy  :?

will most likely go for the m14..

gotta send my we 1911 back after it dont work, and see what the extra i have to pay is
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on April 24, 2007, 01:04:13 pm
I must say I'm tempted to go against my principles and pick up one of those CYMA AK-74's.  Plus I've never seen a green laser so cheap either.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on April 24, 2007, 01:54:18 pm
These cheapies are really proving themselves to be worth the money in my opinion.  I bought my M14 Expecting it to blow up (as guns that are non-TM and in my hands do).  I've only had 3 problems so far with it;

1, The pooey-plop-plops hop-up rubber that has now been replaced with a TM hopup rubber.
2, Semi-Auto no longer works.  Apparently due to the cut-off lever wearing out so shall be replacing that part with the after market guarder one thats available.
3, Mag catch slipping out of place.  This has been temporarily fixed with 2 small peices of cardboard holding it in place and shall be looking at that to find out why this has failed.

Considering though for ?100 posted from HK and now firing at 300 fps and has the range of a TM M14 the bit of hastle seams worth it to me(Until it spectacularly blows up taking out myself and anyone within 5 meters).

 :lol:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Darkwarfare on April 24, 2007, 11:04:52 pm
Loving the sound of these guns, il'l have to get one soon. 8)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on April 25, 2007, 01:11:56 am
Anyone had hands on a CYMA 030 (Glock 18C) AEP yet?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: stan on April 25, 2007, 09:16:44 am
dude has one, looks and fires the same as a tm one as far as I can see
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on April 25, 2007, 01:11:55 pm
Hmm, that's gotta be ?20 well spent then methinks.
/me plots way to sneak one past ever-vigilant wife
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on April 25, 2007, 01:17:15 pm
Anyone had hands on a CYMA 030 (Glock 18C) AEP yet?
Nukem (Phil) bought a Glock and the USP- he used them on Sunday to good effect. He says he prefers the Glock, as its lighter (USP has a full metal slide) and you can buy 100 round extnded mags for it. The couple of goes I had with it were very fun, the range was good and the hop seemed spot on, it empties a 100rd mag in a few seconds- ordered myself one now!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on April 25, 2007, 01:21:14 pm
Cool, I'll have to have a look next time you're down.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on April 25, 2007, 01:25:27 pm
AEP's seem more appealing than GBB's every day that passes. Especially with the clones.

I heard that TM are going to be making an AEP based on the TMP?
Those things are awesome.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: CyALuME on April 25, 2007, 05:22:52 pm

3, Mag catch slipping out of place.  This has been temporarily fixed with 2 small peices of cardboard holding it in place and shall be looking at that to find out why this has failed.


Now fixed turned out to be a loose screw and is now tightened up :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dude on April 25, 2007, 07:04:05 pm
yups the clone brick aep (glock) works ,,works well takes teh 100rnd mags imho better than the tm on one point, the battery is double the mah of the tm ...oh and theres clone 30+100rnd mags now as well as a clone top slide/silencer adapter thingy..basically  you can grab the lot "Clone" and be less ?? than the tm with 1 mag 1 batt. oh and clone batts ?5ish each and 450/500mah each ,,where the tm ones are 200mah,, only real bad thing about it is its a glock
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on April 26, 2007, 09:30:24 pm
TMP i may get, like the MP7, as a polite CQB gun that wont take teeth out.

pistols.  gimmie my WE colt.  sorry, i love my colt, its accurate and visceral
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dude on April 26, 2007, 10:08:44 pm
err the stock 260ish fps of a mp7  is near as dammit the same as a Stock TM full size aeg,,and they will pop teeth.
tmp ,,well you better be prepared for the tmp/spp issue of needing green/propane and a full non chilled mag to cycle properly, jams (the rof means it does jam) and to stock up on mags/gas neither last long ,,
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on April 27, 2007, 07:55:02 pm
My clone Glock and USP AEPS arrived today, and they are awesome. The USP has a better performance than my very pricey KSC USP.  Not sure whether to be chuffed or not about that...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on April 27, 2007, 10:40:06 pm
 :o Really?! I've got a KSC Usp :(
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on April 29, 2007, 08:44:14 pm
Yeah me too, but couldnt resist a AEP one too.

Its pretty damn good too- had its first outing at UCAP today and made 4 kills with it in the all V all pistol match. Great little gun.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Cpt_Jeynes on April 29, 2007, 09:35:02 pm
for anyone whos interested here the AMRY Armament R85A1, which is a direct copy of the G&G L85A1

http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=544&osCsid=6d38ed8bd37da665660b830257a7996f

Im on the waiting list for one whos next! :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on April 29, 2007, 09:47:49 pm
Goddammit! Nothing new should be allowed to tempt me until I have money!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on May 16, 2007, 06:47:11 pm
mmmmmm JG G36 nice finish nice feel nice power (clean through a coke can) gotta get me a smaller spring lol

mag runs no miss feeds

shame my expensive box mag doesnt work on it like i hoped it would
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: mattmanic on May 19, 2007, 09:24:09 pm
I just got a lao bing full metal m4 and its really good, can hit a man sized target at 150ft plus and will go straight through a coke can. only problem is getting the damn thing apart! wont open like a normal m4 as it has a 1 piece hop up and other stuff and you need to cut off the tabs to get the top off (which my dad wont let me do) but i've fired about 4500 shots through it and its just getting better! going to get a g&p m120 high speed motor and a 9.6v battery for it then i should have a pretty good gun :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on May 19, 2007, 10:19:31 pm
There is a way to slide the receiver off without breaking it, unfortunately I can't remember how.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on May 19, 2007, 11:05:14 pm
...can hit a man sized target at 150ft plus and will go straight through a coke can...

Might be a bit on the toasty side for a lot of UK sites, us included in that case. I'd recommend tracking down a proper chrono and finding out what it's actually firing at to save disappointment on a game day - particularly if it's not easy to open for a spring change.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on May 20, 2007, 12:58:14 am
both pins out, slide forward not hinge
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on May 20, 2007, 12:50:56 pm
That's basically it. Putting it back on can be troublesome because the tabs don't like to bend.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on May 20, 2007, 01:26:17 pm
like a guartder or hurricane kit.  then its differant.

unbolt stock, unbolt motor and grip. all pins out (ALL), mag catch out, then remove the top hapf with the gearbox still in it. leaving an empty bottom half.

http://www.intrudershop.com/mmc/images/AR-32(B)/AR-32(B)A4_L.jpg

steps 24 to 15 in ascending order
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on May 26, 2007, 08:31:52 pm
I see the UMP clone is out- looks like its a straight copy of the G&G UMG. Really, really fancy one of thee, and this could be the perfect excuse to try a cheap soft AEG out- I am already a convert to the cheapsoft AEPs!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on May 27, 2007, 12:43:42 am
nuts.... the one reason i went for the UMG.....  its not anywhere near as common as the MP5.. guess thats out the window with a cheapsoft one  :(

i might have to buy another then...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on May 27, 2007, 01:04:52 am
i've seen a few UMP's.

i've been more than a little tempted to:


ARMY L85 (pref A2 when its out)
ACM Thompson
Dboys CASV
JG M733F
ACM RPK74 using 60 round polly mags and that cheap as chips 3K box mag.


ho hum, current team does nato on mag compatability sense.

old team did russian kit.  somehow with the cheapness to get an RPK going vs cost of M249 the team would have got its support weapon a lot sooner
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on May 30, 2007, 01:02:56 am
i so want a thompson..  :D  just uber gangster coolies..  lol

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on May 30, 2007, 05:57:10 pm
I ordered a chinasoft UMP off RSOV last wednesday. nothing arrived yet, but will let you know what its like when i get it.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on May 31, 2007, 05:55:44 pm
I've just ordered a JG AK Beta F and a UMP. Can't wait to see what they are like.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 03, 2007, 09:03:29 pm
Got to play with my jg aug today  :D and im very impressed with it  :D

Once ive set the hop sorted it shall have a nice range on it  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on June 04, 2007, 12:31:06 am
Gonna get an Ak-74 but what's the difference between the normal one and the "Rev 1" I assume rev stands for revision. So it's the better option?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 04, 2007, 11:01:41 am
exactly the same... EXCEPT the Rev 1 hass the scope mount on the body. Thats it.

And an AK doesn't really need a scope, a dressed up AK is a bit ghey, they look better naked without scopes and peripherals
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 04, 2007, 12:04:04 pm
i think iv seen someowhere on arnies that the rev1 had a new hop or a more compatable hop summin like that not too sure will have to do some searching

Edit: Maybe i was seeing things cant find anything about ah nvm, i agree with shrekkie an ak doesent need to be raped like u see all the time on arnies if only thier 47 was as good as their 74
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on June 04, 2007, 01:51:41 pm
I don't normally like AK's that much, but a 74 with a scope! That's very tempting.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on June 04, 2007, 07:57:00 pm
Ah ok, Thanks for the info!

I thought the Ak on Rainbow Six Vegas with a scope looked pretty awesome to be honest.
Each to their own I suppose though.  :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 04, 2007, 08:34:05 pm
Ye but take the scope off and just run round with single shot and a suppessor attached best gun in the game just pwns and has a great noise :P
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 05, 2007, 12:38:15 am
heck yes.  i got fuzzy's one now.  what a noise  :D

i will leave it as is, temprted to get another to tune to make noise (short barrel, one of those so called moderating flashiders that just make things louder)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 05, 2007, 12:14:41 pm
Got the M733F Para this morning.........oooooh it is good :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 05, 2007, 12:23:29 pm
I was lookinfg foreward to the jg m16aw ras to make into an spr until i saw keiths message on it  :oops: at least hes honest
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 05, 2007, 12:55:22 pm
I havent had mine yet. Im very upset with RSOV, I paid ?35 postage for just the UMP, and they only sent it by ground mail service not speedpost, very, very upset.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 05, 2007, 05:13:38 pm
Funnily enough mine came today.

Shoots 340 ish out the box and is consistant to +/-2 fps. Very nice.

The reciever door keeps detatching from the spring (was off altogether when I opened the box) but superglueing the spring on solved that.

Very nice piece of kit, the fire selector clicks into place very well, which is something that cant be said for the G&G version, and the G&G plastic may be a bit less shiny, but the material feels the same.

Its a very good buys folks.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 05, 2007, 08:36:42 pm
Any chance of any pics- mine is in transit as we speak.

Whats the plastic quality like- I hear its not up to the G&G version but is it passable?  I will probably give mine a custom camo job to match my multicam.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 05, 2007, 08:46:24 pm
Its not quite up to the G&G as the plastic is a bit shiney. Flash-hider is a bit crud as it doesn't come off, and the cocking action/reciever door can be a bit iffy.

Hop is really nice though, and the fire selector is way better than G&G. To be honest paint it, and you really wont be able to justify spending any more on the G&G.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 05, 2007, 08:51:21 pm
Cheers, thats made me feel happy!

Now to get some bloody magazines for it- no clone ones out yet. I also need a multicam leg rig of some sort for the mags. Its going to cost me a lot more than the UMP for all the accessories.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 05, 2007, 11:20:02 pm
Leg rig fotr mags?... oh shit, ive got to carry the mags for it, i didnt even think about that one.

Just disasembled it totally for spray job (very simple to take apart) and kryloned it all black. It has made a fantastic difference, it looks better than the G&G now, whereas before it had that chinasoft shimmer. Spray it, and you will be very please with the result.

I heared it takes G&G mags. Im going to airsoft warehouse tommorow and I'm going to compare the mags. Ill post up then and let you know.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 06, 2007, 12:13:02 am
if you dont get to airsoft warehouse, i will take a g+g mag with me on sunday if u want fuzz
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 06, 2007, 08:35:50 am
Yeah UMP mags are a pain in the arse to carry, like P90 ones, so I thought a leg rig would be a good compromise.

I am not sure if I will krylon mine black or go for a camo scheme on it.

Any chance you can post pics Fuzzy of yours?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 06, 2007, 09:52:27 am
This is a pic after the black krylon paintjob.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i225/FuzzyM14/IMG_0125.jpg)

i found the flashider does pop off, but theres no thread so you cant do anything like attatch a silencer.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 06, 2007, 12:51:44 pm
for the money though, can't really complain. Does look good though.

 The M733 is awesome, stuck my custom 9.6v in it and the ROF is moist :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 06, 2007, 01:10:34 pm
That looks great Fuzzy. The flash hider is the same as the G&G one and is designed for the UMP quick release silencer which I am tempted to buy although its the same price as the gun!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 06, 2007, 01:24:53 pm
Oh thanks for the info on the silencer, i didn't realise that.

As I said before, gun is well worth the money and I couln't justify spending the extra on the G&G after a simple paint job.

I did want a silencer, put after you put it in those terms I dont think I can justify it either!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on June 06, 2007, 03:28:52 pm
Got my Ak today. Awesome bit of kit. I don't see how with a large battery in the stock that a adaptor lead for the mini connector would fit too though.
Will probably just change the connector to a large one.

Seems like battery leads polarity is inversed too. So will only work with the cheapsoft batt until I switch the plug round.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 06, 2007, 03:30:43 pm
again.. if u wanna test out the silencer, i will have my g+g one at SWG on sunday fuzz
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 06, 2007, 04:34:16 pm
cheers mate, would love to try it out, but I have ordered a G&G hi-cap from Airsoft Warehouse so that should arrive in time.

Do you own the G&G UMG then?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 06, 2007, 04:44:22 pm
ye lol...

my high cap is borked at the mo tho, and the mechbox is a bit weak..

needs some money spent that i cant be arsed spending..

lol
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 10, 2007, 10:43:23 pm
here is a few pics of the JG M733 F commando.
Build is superb, very solid feel and i'm impressed with the weight too.
The stock is very stiff, but with a bit of fiddling it should wear in and loosen up.
the front section is very tight and can't fit a battery on the top section of the barrel, but there are other solutions for bigger battery use: M203 battery conversion, PEQ box etc etc

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1371/dsc00251ky1.jpg)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7752/dsc00252rl3.jpg)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1020/dsc00253yc6.jpg)

(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6603/dsc00258zs1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 10, 2007, 10:50:10 pm
That looks awesome mate  :) wont want to be on the receiving end of that on the 1st  :x
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 10, 2007, 10:55:29 pm
the ROF is awesome, and i'm out to shoot all those in Multicam and ACU
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 10, 2007, 11:34:34 pm
lucky im in marpat :P ( i hope )
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 10, 2007, 11:43:36 pm
add marpat to the list....


muuhahahahaaaaarrr
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on June 11, 2007, 10:03:44 am
Is that a chinese ACOG on the top of that? If so is it any good? I want one for the weekender.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 11, 2007, 06:28:37 pm
Mines just arrived, and all I can say is bloody hell I am impressed.

Firstly the plastic on mine looks nothing like the quality of the plastic on the one reviewd on Airsoft Retreat. It looks great and almost as good as the plastic on the G&G one I was scrutinising on Saturday.

Also all the info from everyone has said it comes with a 70 round lo cap.
Mine didnt- its a 530 round hicap. Fuzzy was yours a lo or hi cap?

Just had a blat with it in the back garden, no idea of FPS but its firing at around 700-800 rpm. The hop seems great too with my limited test- nice and straight flight over 30m or so in my back garden.

Very very happy. Expect pics in the next hour or two.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 11, 2007, 06:46:05 pm
Mine was a low cap, im a bit gutted there thats all I can say!.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 11, 2007, 06:55:02 pm
Weird.

Seriously the plastic on mine looks nothing at all like the pics from the Airsoft Retreat review of the gun, its a fairly matt black colour. All I can suppose is that mine is from a second batch of them, as mine was from the second lot that Keith got in.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 11, 2007, 07:16:41 pm
Crappy temp pic due to my flashgun dying. More later, with some decent close ups of the finish.

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump1.jpg)


Also took delivery of a JG AK47 Beta Spetz F/

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ak1.jpg)

Its a little cracker, great rate of fire and range. No idea of FPS though. Only one small criticism- the fire selector is a little loose and during a extended burst of fire, it slipped down to single shot. Anyone know how to fix this?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 11, 2007, 08:37:32 pm
Some better pics of the UMP with some close ups to show quality of finish.
You can see a couple of the metal bits such as the fire selector and the front sight have quite thin paint. Nothing a  touch up wont sort out though.



(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump2.jpg)

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump3.jpg)

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump4.jpg)

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump5.jpg)

(http://www.auwo58.dsl.pipex.com/ump6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 11, 2007, 09:52:30 pm
the AK's selector lever can be fixes by popping the screw cap of the lever and tightening the bolt a little, though dont overtighten. see how that feels then drop a spot of something to fix its position but not to completely weld it in place if you get me, and pop the cap back on
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 12, 2007, 06:34:42 am
Cheers, did this and it works fine!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dom-Estos on June 12, 2007, 10:35:19 am
Any of you seen the up and coming ARMY S85?

http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_38&products_id=280

And a promising review
http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=280&reviews_id=296
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 03:24:35 pm
The ARMY R85 is old news, half the Airsoft community got one on pre-order lol

Some new stock in at RSOV, i'm very very tempted by the F/M MP5 and the M14 socom, think i'll get the green & black socoms and the MP5:

'JG' - Jing Gong full-metal M5-navy AEG (071)
?54.99
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1029/gun0110eg4.jpg)

A.C.M. shorty M500 combat shotgun (003)
?12.99
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9594/gun0109pc7.jpg)

A.C.M. full-length M500 combat shotgun (003A)
?12.99
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5677/gun0108oe5.jpg)

'JG' - Jing Gong M4 CQB AEG (6617)
?44.99
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7365/gun0107qo5.jpg)

'JG' - Jing Gong M16A1 AEG (6618) (veitnam style)
?41.99
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4227/gun0106ha3.jpg)

'KART' M14 socom with wood-like plastic stock (M66C)
?39.99
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9198/gun0098qd6.jpg)

'KART' M14 socom with green plastic stock (M66A)
?39.99
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2636/gun0105wp2.jpg)

'KART' M14 socom with black plastic stock (M66B)
?39.99
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8902/gun0104vy7.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 12, 2007, 03:42:43 pm
quite liked tha socom when i seen it any idea if it takes tm g&p mids or agm mags?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 03:47:07 pm
I will ask keith...

On another important note, just got the word from the Airsoft God himself, the almighty Keith:

Quote
The M249 will be arround GBP80-90  and we will properly have a sample by the end of this month :-)
keith


Bring it on!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: FuzzY on June 12, 2007, 03:55:44 pm
Oh my God no, every noob will have a minimi now. Come to think of it, I can have about 12 minimis now! Forget reloading, just change the gun!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 04:00:56 pm
i like your thinking....

think i might strap one to my new Tactical golf GUN trolley
(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8738/dsc00249zd4.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dude on June 12, 2007, 04:06:02 pm
humm i got a noob tag :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 04:15:22 pm
he called us noobs Dude... did you see that! the bloody cheek!  :lol:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 12, 2007, 06:05:16 pm
90 quid? Thats ridiculous!!! Glad I flogged my CA one when I did, its going to kill the 2nd hand market!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on June 12, 2007, 06:34:25 pm
Hmm, I feel a limit on support guns coming on...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Kalon on June 12, 2007, 07:00:33 pm
yeah me too
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 12, 2007, 07:01:32 pm
i want a M249 too!


Oh my God no, every noob will have a minimi now. Come to think of it, I can have about 12 minimis now! Forget reloading, just change the gun!

and at ?90 that don't sound like a bad idea at all fuzz.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 07:09:43 pm
its not a support weapon its an anti aircraft gun... must allow 30,000rds ...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 12, 2007, 07:25:14 pm
Ill end up getting another one  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 12, 2007, 07:30:12 pm
i pray for the day an ACM minigun comes out.

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 07:35:39 pm
will not happen......... EVER
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on June 12, 2007, 07:38:38 pm
I don't think the ACM market's that large. I think shrekkie is just keeping it going single-handedly.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 07:46:30 pm
just getting enough up to use one or two as a baseball bat to the next idiot who shoots me in the back of the head down the end alley way in the safezone...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 12, 2007, 07:55:04 pm
haha.

by any chance did that (cowboy) on the 6th shoot you when he decided to fire his shotgun in the alley way.

methinks DV should invest in some ACm's if they want more rental guns.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 08:12:52 pm
they already did.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 11:02:31 pm
FUZZY:

(Lot of 2) x 'Double Eagle' UMP (M89) 500 rds magazines
?11.99

:D

ROSVdoes it again
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 12, 2007, 11:21:50 pm
That new d boys m4 usmc body looks the dogs shizzles and im thinking about replacing my foregrip with that d boys ris front end why pay over 50 quid for afront rail system just cos the paints thicker when its gonna get scratched anyways keith just knows whats gonna sell
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 11:26:27 pm
you know shizzles means sh*t... so thats the dog sh*t lol
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 12, 2007, 11:27:06 pm
ah u know what i mean  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 11:33:11 pm
hehehehe

you mean dogs b0110cks
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 12, 2007, 11:38:23 pm
yup u reckon theyd go straight on instead of normal foregrips or would they be a pain in the cheeks to install?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 12, 2007, 11:39:36 pm
not sure on them, dude might be the one to ask on that.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 13, 2007, 12:13:37 am
yeah me too

NOOOOOOO

i havent yet used mine at DV!

it is worryingly cheap.  i may be temped to buy a second..... 

i may have to retink support weapon plans.....

MK19 and belted moscarts..

you guys wouldnt mind me having a bergan full of mossies would you?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on June 13, 2007, 12:58:13 am
just getting enough up to use one or two as a baseball bat to the next idiot who shoots me in the back of the head down the end alley way in the safezone...

Are we missing some netting there?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Kalon on June 13, 2007, 01:51:09 am
not anymore.

kal
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 13, 2007, 04:50:47 am
:D got my own door now :P
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 13, 2007, 07:31:30 am
FUZZY:

(Lot of 2) x 'Double Eagle' UMP (M89) 500 rds magazines
?11.99

:D

ROSVdoes it again

?!2 postage though bumps the price up considerably.  :(
Mind you if I combine them with something else it will be cheaper! Hmm what to buy next...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 13, 2007, 01:49:43 pm
look what i just found on the A&K 249

obviously its a stupid price on this site as its not RSOV but still its more info on the lets play an all support weapon mission

The rumors are true. A&K is about to release (3) different models of the M249 SAW. They feature a metal gearbox,  full metal body, box magazine, and are rumored to shoot very strong ( 450 fps). We do not have all the details yet, but the price should be between $300-$500 (full metal w/ box mag). They are scheduled to arrive July- August timeframe. We will be taking pre-orders for this item when we know the exact price and arrival date. Sign-up for the waiting list for this item and receive an email when we start accepting pre-orders.

also the pic i found has the m16 mag in it so it looks like it takes both the box and the m16 mags
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 13, 2007, 04:07:26 pm
late as usual....  look at the last post of page 13 :D

lol Keith has told me its gonna be about ?80-?90
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 13, 2007, 05:02:30 pm
FUZZY:

(Lot of 2) x 'Double Eagle' UMP (M89) 500 rds magazines
?11.99

:D

ROSVdoes it again

?!2 postage though bumps the price up considerably.  :(
Mind you if I combine them with something else it will be cheaper! Hmm what to buy next...

If you e-mail keith direct say Jase aka Shrekkie told you too, ask what price he'd do on some mags, he usually gives a few % off and cheaper postage than what the site calculator does.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 13, 2007, 06:16:42 pm
not lat it give more info and i said this site is over priced as keith is saying 80-90 did we read the whole post i put on ???????
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 13, 2007, 07:55:36 pm
all that info is old news. it's a g&p clone so does take M16 or box. all info on asc about it.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 13, 2007, 08:46:41 pm
I take it the 3 versions are the mk1, mk2 and para??
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 13, 2007, 08:47:48 pm
yup hmmmmm which to get.....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 13, 2007, 09:00:29 pm
mmmmmmmmmm para and mk1 for me i think  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 13, 2007, 09:06:57 pm
i may buy a para.

90 will cover what i need to get my MK1 looking brit issue for cheaper while filling up a spares bin for the 249.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 14, 2007, 11:34:01 pm
Rsov got a few new things in dboys m4 ras 'metal' and a nice led torch for 20 quid thats caught my eye, Shrekkie what was the range like on your casv thinking if i got the m4 ras and put a tightbore in it would make a nice little gun
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 14, 2007, 11:42:42 pm
JG better than the DBOYS. DBOYS looks gucci, just niggly with half finished construction, lost count of the grub screws i had to tighten up properly. the JG more powerful and has a 6.03mm barrel, fast motor too ... close between, but go JG.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 15, 2007, 10:43:46 am
Ye but i want an m4 ras now jg do a cqb but i dun want to put bats in the crane stock so would it be easy enough to just open the gun up and move the wire so it goes to the front for a peq box?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 15, 2007, 12:45:17 pm
JG M4-S System.....  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 18, 2007, 12:10:06 pm
news in from keith that theres a bunch of cyma thompsons on the way to his warhouse hell have picks up later and their going for 44.99
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 18, 2007, 12:22:11 pm
yeah seen pics of these and they look awsome

gotta admit cyma are doin some good kit now

full metal body wood parts are ment to be a real good imataion and one site i seen says its kickin out 420 fps if thats right i dunno lets see what keith says when he gets um in and checks um out
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 18, 2007, 02:25:36 pm
theres pictures up now but in his description it says its 330 out of the box and full plastic yet on the box if u look closley it says full metal wierd is that
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 18, 2007, 02:29:27 pm
I just mnoticed that too

everywhere else i have seen it they say its full metal doin 420fps one site was funny saying it firs at 420fps=1 joule which is wrong

but every where including the box says its full metal body
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 19, 2007, 09:27:41 pm
just got a clone M900

oooh spankingly gorgous
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 20, 2007, 11:08:45 pm
keith posted saying he made a mistake the top reciever is actually metal and so is the barrel pretty good deal for 45 quid. Oh and action hobbys and airsoft scotland got 100 army l85s for pre order itl cost you 100 quid but u get a 12 month warrenty on a clone!! so why buy a g&g. Wont be out till end of july tho i think well worth the wait for 100 quid mind if someone gets one they need to put a review on ere so we can all see how good they are
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on June 20, 2007, 11:22:37 pm
don't give me an excuse to get one! god dammit!  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 21, 2007, 04:08:30 pm
 :lol:

(http://walt.head-wreck.org/galleries/galleries/Kit/others/M910/m910-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 21, 2007, 04:19:37 pm
all u need is to move the peq on top acog on there too n spray it all khaki n that would be a sweet settup
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 21, 2007, 05:24:26 pm
nope.  PEQ obscures the iron sights as the topp rail is higher than the knights RIS/RAS.

may decide to battery stock her
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Junoske on June 21, 2007, 05:27:05 pm
well thats a bummer ah well nice gun none the less
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: The Jackal on June 21, 2007, 08:15:01 pm
the peq box looks better on the top me thinks, screw aiming  :D looks good in The Unit.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 21, 2007, 10:47:34 pm
erm.

i like aiming.

takes up less ammo than walking fire over to a target.

using realcaps kinda stifles the machine gunner aim methods
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 21, 2007, 10:52:49 pm
Looks awesome the way it is head wreck  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: DarkStar on June 22, 2007, 08:04:31 am
Ooooh, sexy hardware!!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 22, 2007, 10:44:17 am
just an acog to finish off hehehe
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 23, 2007, 05:50:17 pm
awsome

i just hate peq boxes

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 23, 2007, 06:01:21 pm
combined the 2 now... M733 with CASV

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5664/dsc00285ik6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 23, 2007, 06:55:12 pm
moved PEQ to other side now.

still tempted to put my folding stock on it
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on June 23, 2007, 06:57:49 pm
i agree wholeheartedly with you cougar, PEQ boxes just look awful. I know they have obvious advantages of HUGE batteries giving excellent battery life and unparalelled ROF , and the real steel serves an important purpose.... but they just look damned terrible.

and Shrek, im sorry man but that gun is fugly... extend the barrel out or drop a silencer on it and lose the peq, and you got a winner :)i do love the folding stocks on an armalite.

keep it simple ftw, AK all the way :p
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 23, 2007, 07:00:55 pm
nah shorter the better!!!! CQB CASV is gucci!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on June 23, 2007, 07:04:17 pm
it does have obvious advantages... at placeslike spectre, or in the ramp building that gun with the stock folder would own on entirely new levels....but it doesnt have beauty :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 23, 2007, 07:15:15 pm
 :o

shrekkies gun am sexwee  :?

honestly, that gun looks wicked...  :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 23, 2007, 07:28:00 pm
folded

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/430/dsc00284pl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dom-Estos on June 23, 2007, 08:21:47 pm
Nice but im with cougar and nightwish, peq's just look terrible
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 23, 2007, 08:26:29 pm
agreed. thier ugly,

but not as ugly as a battery bag.   though the idea of a mag battery inside an empty mag shell in a stock pouch is an idea
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 23, 2007, 08:36:35 pm
thats where readymag comes in...
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 23, 2007, 08:50:36 pm
or a battery stock
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 23, 2007, 09:05:35 pm
Anyone bought the JG G36C?

I have a mate coming to DV next week for his first ever airsoft game and he is keen on getting a G36C if he enjoys himself.

Maybe you could show it off to him next week if you are feeling kind.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on June 23, 2007, 09:19:24 pm
I no couger-w has one and he should have it with him on the 1st  :tu:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: doddy on June 24, 2007, 01:17:48 pm
couger-w's has been changed to g36k mind you. (i want one  :( )
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on June 24, 2007, 05:07:35 pm
Personally I hate K's and love C's!
Still it will be useful to have a look at the build quality of the receiver etc, and find out about the internals.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 24, 2007, 08:25:44 pm
actualy its been set up as an MG36 but i am currently still using it as the C as my bipod front end isnt to helthy and i am sorting out repairs

and build wise dam its nicer than TM and CA internals i aint to sure but its lasted on a 9.6V battery for about 5000rds now and its gone back up to 335fps
shoots just as straight as the TM gun too

only down side is no markings but are u realy gonna let anyone get that close in a game that they will notice

(i hate my wireless keyboard)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 27, 2007, 11:54:26 pm
next rsov order about to go through:

Parcel one:
-----------

Double Eagle UMP
?39.99
Firefox 11.1v 1300mah Li-ion stick battery
?9.99 
Firefox 11.1v 1300mah Li-ion stick battery
?9.99

Sub total:
?59.97

Parcel 2:
---------

Double Eagle UMP 500 rds magazines x2
?11.99
Double Eagle UMP 500 rds magazines x2
?11.99
reflex sight with selectable reticle
?19.99
mini green laser aimer for rail
?29.99
sound suppressor
?14.99

sub total:
?88.95

Combined total:
?148.92
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 28, 2007, 12:12:23 am
just make sure u got a charger that will handle the Li-ion's :?

out of interest, whats the size of them bats compared to an 8.4v nimh stick?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 28, 2007, 03:30:45 pm
exactly the same length
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 28, 2007, 10:58:28 pm
wouldnt the 11.1 be 3 cells longer than the 8.4?????
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on June 28, 2007, 11:27:33 pm
Aren't Li-Ion cells quite a lot smaller for the same power though? That would explain the size being the same, and is pretty much their raison d'etre.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on June 29, 2007, 12:02:00 am
lipos is what we want...  see how the cheapsoft mechboxes can stand a 4s1p 5000mah pack... mwaha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 :?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on June 29, 2007, 01:39:42 am
lipo's = firey death.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on June 29, 2007, 07:21:26 am
oooh yes, lipos are fun :D

fiery NAPALM death... well burning lithium but hey, fire's fire right :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on June 29, 2007, 10:48:00 am
if they are smaller i stand corrected i am used to the standard small battery cells

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on June 29, 2007, 01:03:53 pm
I think they are smaller, which is what the appeal of them would be. You can get more capacity, or more voltage from more cells, in the same size package.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 29, 2007, 02:53:22 pm


there are so many armalites on rsov its hard to choose one, the only thing im a bit iffy on are the PEQ boxes, would they make the rifle unbalanced?

i just want an Armalite i can stick lots of bits n bobs on like an ACE stock, Over Barrel Silencer, ACOG style scope and all that, and something preferably all metal or as much metal as possible.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 29, 2007, 03:06:49 pm
 'Dboys' M4A1 RIS AEG (BI5181 - metal)
[gun_0112] ?54.99
 
 'Dboys' M4A1 RIS AEG with metal body.
http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=103&products_id=786&osCsid=409c63872f60d31ae186229d349ba6c6
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 29, 2007, 03:13:54 pm
awsome. cheers shrek. do rsov have any over barrel silencers?

oo and could you post a pic of that M4 you were selling a few days ago, i wanted to base it on that.

sorry bout the other day btw
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on June 29, 2007, 04:51:40 pm
dboys are usually 2 peice barrels, where you un screw just passed the front sight (see the pic in my M4 parts sale) most of the supressors there, screw over the end of the barrel just in front of the sight like on my casv.

(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1898/dsc00053jz6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dibs on June 29, 2007, 04:57:34 pm
excellent. i shall be getting one shortly  :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TALESTAR on July 22, 2007, 07:11:53 pm
just been lookign on rsov foudn the jg sniper rifle was wonderign liek if a sniper would actually shoot further than an aeg?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on July 22, 2007, 07:16:45 pm
They all tend to have the same range
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on July 22, 2007, 07:19:56 pm
all have to be under 350fps so no different. Some sites allow 500fps snipers so they have better range than AEG's
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on July 22, 2007, 08:41:36 pm
i'm not a fan of 500FPS kit being in everyones hands.

speaking as someone who used to snipe at those power levels and bagining to again (outside of DV at sites that allow it).

tbh the thought of 500FPS kit so accessable i find a tad worrying
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TALESTAR on July 22, 2007, 09:39:42 pm
how come there isnt a higher fps for snipers in dragon valley? i heard there used to be, summit bad happen? Lets hear the gossip hehe
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dude on July 22, 2007, 09:48:07 pm
dv changed there limits, is as simple as that.

As to most of the "current crop" of airsofters and using anything above 350,, im glad they cant, as hw says the cheap 400+ bolts and the likes of Certain types of people is a accident waiting to happen.

Sadly the days of airsoft being a fun hobby have long gone, its a buissness now, the few checks and ballances there used to be on morons getting into airsoft have gone long gone.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on July 22, 2007, 09:58:45 pm
there are some i wouldn't trust with 350 let alone 500 fps
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TALESTAR on July 22, 2007, 10:08:28 pm
oh yer i was also jsut wonderign how the hell did shrekkie get his m4 to shoot so far on the 1st of july cos damn it was shootign miles, was it the fact it was 350fps? or hop unit? or shrekkie even :)?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on July 22, 2007, 10:17:51 pm
Wasn't all that close to 350 from what I remember. Must just be nicely set up.

There's more to range than FPS.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: mattmanic on July 22, 2007, 10:20:54 pm
How far should my Tm Ak Beta be shooting?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on July 22, 2007, 10:23:36 pm
I couldn't tell you in metres. How far do you think it is shooting at the moment?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on July 22, 2007, 10:29:09 pm
6.03mm barrel, hop on just right and the wind helped. clocked under 340fps on the 5 shots on the chrono. My AK was 330fps. The SPR is inbetween i reckon. Thats the big boy that will be out playing the most next sunday.

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: mattmanic on July 22, 2007, 10:43:30 pm
Erm, I'm not totally sure but i think its around 150 feet on 1/4 hop
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on July 22, 2007, 11:05:57 pm
i must say shrek, SPR tempts lots.

range and accuracy is 30% FPS.

the rest is barrel choice, hopup design and grip, style of outer barrel.  setup of outer and inner barrel, wind direction and speed. ammunition choice.

the SPR has lots of potential. deffo my DV sniper choice
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: stewpidbear on July 24, 2007, 07:25:24 pm
If it's been covered already I apologise, but are the new CYMA AK's compatible with Mauri/G&P magasines? or do you still have to change the air nozzle? Just ordered a side folding RIS'ed 47. :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on July 24, 2007, 07:31:53 pm
i have a CYMA 031 and i have no issues with any mags yet.  currently using king arms AK47 midcaps on em
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on July 24, 2007, 10:11:48 pm
all ACM rifles are compatible with their more expensive counterparts

 EXCEPT BOTH ELEPHANT
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: doddy on July 26, 2007, 11:52:50 pm
although not a rifle, just wish to point out Both Elephant MP7 (R16) is TM compatible
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: actuality-alex on August 04, 2007, 01:16:39 am
all ACM rifles are compatible with their more expensive counterparts

 EXCEPT BOTH ELEPHANT

Hit the nail on the head there... Being 'clones' you think they all should  :)

The only ones to look out for are bolt-action rifles that claim to be VSR clones - they usually have individual mags... That usually weigh in at the hefty sum of around ~?3  :x
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: SHREKKIE on August 04, 2007, 11:32:36 am
the VSR clones are great! I had an APS2 clone aka the M50 it was rather good :D


Ask Dom
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Dom-Estos on August 04, 2007, 03:59:56 pm
Yeas the M50 is brill, ive got shreks old one, last event i hit someone right between the eyes from a very nice distance away when they popped their head up from the ferns.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on August 04, 2007, 04:07:43 pm
should have my first chinese clone in a week or so :)

MP40 for the win!

going for a russian ww2 look but soviet weapons are impossible to come by... so i'll say i captured it from a fallen fascist!

hope one of them does a PPSH or a Nagant :)
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: actuality-alex on August 04, 2007, 06:39:24 pm
I have to agree the bolt action rifles do seem to be of very high quality. Last time I took out my AGM MP001 I got a head-shot at around 100 feet (they were ducking behind something.) I can't rate them highly enough  :D However at 450 fps it isn't really suitable for DV  :(
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on August 05, 2007, 12:05:06 am
I have to agree the bolt action rifles do seem to be of very high quality. Last time I took out my AGM MP001 I got a head-shot at around 100 feet (they were ducking behind something.) I can't rate them highly enough  :D However at 450 fps it isn't really suitable for DV  :(

And even when they were we certainly didn't allow headshots with them. Ouch.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Head Wreck on August 05, 2007, 04:12:05 pm
headshots rarely gone for.  and back then a fully tuned rifle can pick of individual parts of the body, ACM's are great, but i still see them as an initial discount to a good sniper

not really a chinese clone but:
(http://walt.head-wreck.org/images/gallery/kit/m700/Picture-061.jpg)
awaiting green krylon coat.

thats one of three sniper project i have got on, its had a full rebuild and tighten, and could do with another 4 barrel spacers tbh.  other is a warrior, third will be my DV legal sniper, an SPR tuned for accuracy...  once i get my armourers wrench back of fuzzy.....
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: williamewart on August 19, 2007, 07:07:03 pm
why are chinese clones so cheap ??
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Nightwish on August 19, 2007, 08:19:12 pm
the answer is in the question!

'chinese clones'

chinese labour, which is cheap as hell having people work ungodly hours for bugger all money to mass produce goods for the western world. and the fact they are clones. Copies if existing tried and tested systems, so absolutely no effort or money has gone into R&D, design or testing.

Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: gunnermaniac on August 24, 2007, 10:39:00 pm
I got a JG mp5sd6 and for the money it wasnt bad! Its just loads of little things that all add up to make you despise the gun and stay far away from it! okay maybe not that bad but wasnt a pleasure to use.

P.S I ordered the mp5sd5 as you obviously now know they sent me the wrong one  :o ! Not the best start !

I've got a Classic Army G36, Get a TM or CA if you want happiness  :lol:cheesy  :D.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on August 24, 2007, 10:44:55 pm
If you want to be happy stay away from ca  :lol:
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: gunnermaniac on August 24, 2007, 10:52:58 pm
!why do you think this!
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: gunnermaniac on August 24, 2007, 10:53:37 pm
SINNER!!!!:P
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: TaffyGriffiths on August 24, 2007, 11:16:19 pm
yeah.. explain why CA are shit?????
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: metalboa on August 24, 2007, 11:18:20 pm
Just ask kalon  :) as alot of times on a sunday he's spent sitting in the safe zone fixing ca guns
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: C-X on August 24, 2007, 11:21:15 pm
Because from experience I've found them to be shite, simple.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: gunnermaniac on August 24, 2007, 11:27:13 pm
I am sorry to hear that I have had no problems with mine. Really impressed with it.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on August 25, 2007, 10:49:30 am
CA M4s are top, everything else is a bit dodgy.
I say this as a 'proud' owner of a CA SCAR L, who has only managed 10 minutes of a skirmish with mine since I bought it in May. fruity bun-loafing thing. :(
Look beautiful, innards made of paper and dog poo put together by Joey Deacons less able brother.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Firkit on August 25, 2007, 11:11:10 am
And therein lies the problem. Buying a CA can be such a gamble as their consistency and quality control is just not what it should be.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on August 25, 2007, 11:35:49 am
I'm so close to stripping out the interior totally, voiding my warranty and upgrading it with Element internals.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: actuality-alex on August 25, 2007, 06:30:25 pm
And we come full circle... Replacing the innards of a posh gun with Chinese bits... Actually that doesn't really make sense...

Hang on isn't CA Chinese anyway?
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Winter Man on August 25, 2007, 06:44:45 pm
Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serotonin on August 25, 2007, 08:07:34 pm
And we come full circle... Replacing the innards of a posh gun with Chinese bits... Actually that doesn't really make sense...

Haha indeed.
But have you seen the Element tune up kits though? Total copy of the Systema tune up kits. I just stuck a set in my HK416, and they are really very nice.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on August 25, 2007, 09:22:27 pm
i am also not a fan of CA tahts why i didnt waste ?330 on there scar CQC which is just a black Scar-L and by rights shouldnt even be allowed the title of CQC as you gotta spend another ?60-100 on it to give it an actual CQC barrel (VFC Scar-L FTW on its way to me) and then i also heard that they fell apart ant for a gun that uses the v2 gearbox u would have thought CA would have that right by now seeing as they do some of the best m4 and m16 models but no they decided to toatly screw it up thats why i waited for the VFC version so i could order that

on the other hand from owning several china models i would say no to TM aswell as CA now as i cant see why i should spent ?174 on a G36 running at 280fps ?200 on a CA G36 running at 320ish FPS when i can spend ?90 on a Jing gong maybe the best china gun around and get one with a tight 6.03 barrel a spring that kicks out 330+FPS and in my opinion has a nicer plastics finish than both TM and CA the only down fall is the quality control isnt there like TM`s so u may get a bad one if u are super unlucky

Rant over
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Tank on August 26, 2007, 12:30:03 pm
Does anyone know if the JG G36c's are still putting out safely at under 350 because I'm looking to get one before October.
I know Cyma started upping their game and I think my Ak-74 is firing at over 350, but haven't chronoed it yet so I can't say for sure.
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: couger-w on August 26, 2007, 08:33:55 pm
they vairy from gun to gun but from what i have seen they tend to be just below 350
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Serenity on August 28, 2007, 11:40:23 pm
Well I heard that the JG 36 fires at about 360+ but if you stick 1000 rounds through it, you'll probably get it down to about 350 and lower. Otherwise you'll have to ask Jeff really nicely to tinker with it :D
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: Rob on August 28, 2007, 11:47:16 pm
Just got my JG g36C its firing over 350 at the mo, going to charge up the bat tonight and put some more rounds through her to bed in the spring
Title: Re: Chinese Clones
Post by: jweaver on August 29, 2007, 11:23:10 am
Just got my JG g36C its firing over 350 at the mo, going to charge up the bat tonight and put some more rounds through her to bed in the spring

I took my new JG G36C to DV on Sunday and it was firing about 350 on average.. One or 2 shots went out at 352, but the rest were just under.

They told me to go away, run though a few magazines and come back.

When I did, its was JUST under 350, so couldn't have been closer.

Jon